Talk:Shrine

Luck "status"

"Results from 'pray' indicating your luck status (worst to best)." This is not true according to some sources. Of what this is indicator of, I'm not sure.

Also how did you manage to sort them from worst to best? Some are clear, but others not so much. I think this listing is also debatable. -- Milk

Your free to correct it, but shrine messages are to my knowledge best indicators about your luck status side of casting magic missile 100 times a row. I am not saying these are facts, as i can't see the code, but these are best i can give. If you got better/accurate source than the ingame help files, saccing at shrine and missadventure, please share it.

Method has been that when saccing something small (under 200k), praying before and after saccing both items and writing down results. Same method has been used with bigger ones, but sometimes with only one item. Data has been collected by praying and saccing after doing events that give luck (or at least they say they give luck), after months of not saccing and dying dozen or so times a row. There seems to be +- 0-1 randomness in luck messages, i.o. it tells only sometimes your true luck message (if its you luck), so the list is made by looking decent enough sacs that (should) be noticable enough to affect your luck. Also it seems the more frequent you sac, the less impact it has. With 339k sac i got from ignored to warm after keeping 30days pause in sacs, while

Feel free to debate or give more input. Having burst as the top is backed with the fact that saccing 1680k item after geting wind from pray. ignored is backed up with praying at shrine with melody on and dying 22 times on statue. BlackSmith 17:07, 19 August 2008 (EEST)

This page was wrong in so many ways that it made me sad. Short version: get a clue already, i'm sick and tired fixing everything you do here. Long version:

• You can sac more than twice a day. There is a cooldown, 8h is enough last time i checked.
• Minimum sacvalue needed to gain a certain effect depends on how good customer have you been at the shrine, eg. how often have you been sacrificing. Those values you presented are total bullshit, you can gain any of those effects listed except +exprate with ~30k sac item if you sac twice a day.
• 'pray' does NOT indicate your luck, it indicates how good customer have you been at the shrine, which is straightly related to the minimum sacvalue required like explained above.
• Your 'sorted' list is almost certainly in wrong order.
• 'You feel healthier' is not "+30 hps", it's a shitty unpain.

--Nuane

Thank you for participationg the discussion that are used in wikis to hone articles. I appreciate the typo killing you have done after me. Those 4k article contributions would look lot worse without you.

• Instead of saying all the minor things that are wrong, correct the article and use the comment line to leave a note what you did and why. If you know better, then do say where your knowledge hails from.
• The list was sorted correctly, by min sac.
• Then 'You feel fiiine.' was hpmax/con and not unpain.

BlackSmith 12:10, 22 August 2008 (EEST)

Well, my knowledge in the shrine issue hails from 7 years of almost daily saccing experience and also from experimenting with wiz/friday13 max/min lucks and other special luck appearences. And like I already said about the min sacs, there's no point showing them in the way you did since the numbers were greatly off. 'You feel fiiine.' is randomly either hp, sp or epmax, by the way. --Nuane

By the way, there is an (almost) complete list of effects already done by Ssmud if I remember correctly. --Nuane

I know nothing about saccing or luck, but I prayed at my race shrine and got this message: "You have a feeling of acceptance." Pisano 16:29, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

messages

Just got this from a pray: You feel comfortable, you feel at home. Perhaps this fits in one better than you feel relaxed? Pisano 13:19, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

You feel fiiiine.

The lowest value I've personally witnessed has been 24, can't verify the highest but it's somewhere in the ~80 range, so I put "24-80 or so" in the article for now. --Nuane 13:42, 8 February 2012 (EET)